November
1899 (10:132) A continuing interest
of The Conservator for Whitmanites is following members of the
old Whitman inner circle in the afteryears.
Here Traubel offers the transcript of an attractive and revealing
interview on the subject of Whitman given by Dr. Daniel Garrison Brinton
(1837-1899), who had occasionally contributed to The Conservator.
Dr. Daniel G. Brinton on Walt Whitman The
death a few weeks ago, of Dr. Daniel G. Brinton, of Philadelphia, gave
me a touch of genuine personal sorrow.
Through familiarity with some of his writings had high esteem
for the man and admiration for the scientist and scholar.
I knew that he had been for some time in precarious health, but
I was far from anticipating so prompt a termination of his career. Indeed,
his appearance when I saw him in January of the present year did not
even suggest ideas of apprehension. His face was ruddy, his eyes clear and vivacious,
his manner alert and animated. And
yet at that very time he was traveling South, hoping that rest, change
of air and environment would arrest the enfeeblement which was gradually
mastering him. Dr.
Brinton arrived in Atlanta on the 19th of January and sent me word that
he was at the Aragon Hotel. There
I visited him and we had a long and to me highly interesting talk. Toward the last, I purposely directed the conversation
to Walt Whitman, knowing that the Doctor was an old and tried friend
of the poet. I have more than
once congratulated myself upon having done so, because of the frank
and unrestrained manner in which my interlocutor detailed a portion
of his Whitman reminiscences. The
gist of the Doctor’s talk touching the great democrat and poet, I jotted
down that same evening, and it is these notes which I desire without
more ado to lay before the readers of The Conservator, hoping
that in the reading of the same they will experience some of the interest
and charm which permeated the original utterances. “My first meeting with Whitman,” said Dr. Brinton, “was at a dinner of the Triplet Club, in the city of Philadelphia—a club of which the celebrated Shakespearean scholar, Howard Furness, was president. When I reached the club on that occasion the attendant told me that one of the guests had already arrived and was up stairs in the reading room. I went up and saw a large man with venerable white hair and beard, toasting his feet at the big open grate fire. I knew at the first glance that it was Whitman. I was familiar with his appearance from having seen him several times before on the streets or in other public places. I introduced myself to him, and spoke about my being familiar with his work, mentioning several poems which had struck me as peculiarly impressive. I specified one which abounds in description of Long Island scenery. We fell into a discussion of the large part which dreams play in shaping the delineations of nature found in the writings of very many authors. He said that his descriptions were drawn direct and at first hand from the natural objects themselves and possessed no elements due to the transformations wrought by the strange perspective of dreams. We had probably twenty minutes’ conversation before other members or guests arrived. “Whitman
was never what you would call convivial, jocular or witty. He never
joked, never told humorous stories, never indulged m repartee, never
sought to raise a laugh. Still he was not solemn or gloomy ; quite the
reverse of that. He was possessed by a perennial cheerfulness—a cheerfulness
which was consistent and apparently unfluctuating. That he had a quiet
vein of humor in his nature was evident to those who knew him well.
But there is no sign of this in his poems. “As
a conversationalist Whitman was peculiarly slow and deliberate in his
speech. He had a fashion of
stating a thought and then going back and carefully restating it; sometimes
he would put it in more literary form, but oftener he would clothe it
in terms of the common vernacular.
Frequently he would hesitate and grope for a word, but I speedily
discovered that he did not kindly accept aid from the listener!
He desired to work out the form of his utterances undisturbed
by outside suggestions. “I
remember on one occasion that a party of literary and artistic Englishmen
thought they would shine and help Whitman to shine, and so they interpolated
and suggested in his talk to that point of aggravation where Whitman
suddenly shut up like a clam and they got nothing more out of him. “Whitman
liked a patient listener. After
he had got a thought stated in definitive terms—terms which suited him—then
he would go on and link it with another, and so his talk would progress.
And there was this singular thing about a conversation with Whitman;
you might go away rather dissatisfied, saying to yourself, ‘Well, I
did not get as much out of the talk as I expected.’
But perhaps days or weeks after, something which he said would
suddenly recur to you illuminated by a new and strange light, and then
you would begin to see that you had not before understood the man’s
real meaning. It would seem
to you, perhaps, that at the time you had listened in a, so-to-speak,
hypnotic condition, though that is a word which applies in this condition
only as remotely suggestive. Whitman would certainly have repudiated
any intimation of possessing such an influence. What is to be noted,
however, is that Whitman’s talk was singularly suggestive and awakening
and that it produced effects remotely simulating organic growth. “The best which I got from him was purely informal. During the later years of Whitman’s life I used to go across to Camden about every six weeks to visit him. Often instead of going upstairs to his workroom he would take me into the kitchen. He had a rickety old splint-bottomed chair, in which he liked to sit, and an old shawl which, he was fond of wrapping about him, and there by the kitchen stove we would hold converse. And those were the occasions which I think were most satisfactory to me. “So
far as my experience goes, there was nothing peculiarly attractive in
Whitman’s manner or deportment. He was plain, simple, natural. There
never seemed to be any straining for effect. He always conveyed to me
the impression of poise and equilibrium, as also of one who would not
tolerate trifling or familiarity. He was not the sort of a man to slap
upon the shoulder or/back in the hail-fellow-well-met style. Whitman’s
heart was full of sympathy and love for many with whom he came in contact.
Peter Doyle, for instance,
is an illustration of how warm an affection Whitman could bestow. But Whitman was discriminating. He dwelt for years in a rather unsavory part
of Camend, but that did not bother him, since he was a citizen of the
universe. His life there was
isolated. His neighbors seldom
visited him. He had no following
among them, save Traubel and his brother-in-law Harned.
People from a distance, however, came
to see him, now and then,
even from across the ocean. “Whitman
was not popular either in Camden or in Philadelphia. Twice he was the guest of the Contemporary Club of Philadelphia,
of which I am a member. The
result of his first visit was rather startling—it caused the resignation
of several members. Philadelphians
were wont to look upon Whitman as indecent, disreputable, obscene. Other
publishers used to expostulate with the McKays for having anything to
do with his books. Many of the bookshops would not tolerate his
works upon their shelves. No
woman there dared to express a liking for his poems.
This intolerance has measurably abated with lapse of time, but
still holds powerful sway. “I
do not take much stock in Dr. Bucke’s theory of ‘Cosmic Consciousness,’
as applied to Whitman. However,
the fact remains that a great change took place in Whitman just about
the time he reached his thirtieth year.
He attained a new form of expression, mastered a distinct literary
style, if you choose to call it by that name, of which there is absolutely
no suggestion in anything that he had previously written.
Whitman’s is by no means a unique case.
The poet Shelley furnishes a very happy illustration of a sudden
and unexpected transformation in style.
Nevertheless, it must be conceded that back of the changed form
of expression lay a spiritual evolution which sanctioned the new vehicle
of thought. In conversation
with Whitman touching this matter, he told me that many of the ideas
found in Leaves of Grass had long existed in his mind before
he was able to give them utterance, the method of expression then at
his command proving inadequate. “I
remember arguing with Whitman once that war was, in a way, necessary—that
out of the conflict came elements of human character essential to progress,
elements which could be attained in no other way. But he would agree to nothing of the sort. He said that war had no redeeming features:
it was unmitigatedly bad. It
is evident that Whitman’s ministrations to the sick and wounded soldiers
in the great hospitals of Washington during the War of Secession exercised
a profound and lasting impression upon his mind.
These experiences probably aggravated, if they did not produce
the paralysis which maimed him during the last twenty years of his life. However, paralysis was hereditary in his family. His father suffered in that way, and his brother
George, whom I know, has experienced repeated strokes. Whitman came of Quaker stock and that fact
will perhaps account measurably for his ideas regarding war. “Whitman was strongly orthodox when it came to a belief in immortality. My conversations with him leave no room for doubt on that point. He believed in personal immortality—continuous identity after death. He spoke of these things not as matters of simple belief, but with an assurance, a conviction, as though born of actual knowledge. “Whitman
lived for years in a small two-story house in Camden. His study was a large upstairs front room. The floor of this room was littered almost
knee deep with a tangled mass of books, newspapers, magazines, letters,
clippings and manuscript notes, which were not cleared out, perhaps,
for six month at a time. In
the midst of these heaps stood a small coal stove, and Whitman had a
fashion of setting his coal oil lamp on the floor at night when searching
in the litter for some letter, paper, or other object.
He was exceedingly heavy, and the paralysis with which he was
afflicted rendered him excessively slow, awkward and insecure in his
movements. The chances of an accidentally overturned lamp,
or of a red-hot cinder from the shackly stove igniting the inflammable
material scattered about in such rich profusion, caused me for years
a great deal of apprehension. I
dreaded to hear that the poet and all his belongings had been consumed
in a quick conflagration, kindled in the way I have suggested. I mentioned my fears to Traubel, who shared my apprehension; but
expostulations were fruitless. Whitman
with habits unmodified “went serenely on his way. “Probably
a large majority of readers of Whitman’s poems have an idea that the
poet flung out his thoughts to the world, without study or revision,
in the chance garb in which they happened to be clothed at birth.
No conception of Whitman’s method could be more erroneous. He
wrote and rewrote with indefatigable industry.
Every line, every phrase, every word, was patiently considered
and reconsidered. “The Prayer
of Columbus,” for instance, was rewritten about twenty times. The rescripts are in existence.
I have examined them, are covered with erasures and interlineations
which suggest a critical appreciation exceedingly difficult to please. And yet Whitman was so successful in hiding
his tracks that he seemed to end where most writers begin. “There
are many people for whom Whitman has no message. They would not or could
not understand him. I have known persons who were desirous of liking
the poet, but they read him in vain—he baffled them.
Hence I have latterly become chary about recommending Whitman. If anyone asks me ‘Shall I read the poems?’
I say, ‘Yes, get the book and glance over it; you may find something
you like. If so, hold to that and read on.’ Those who are ripe for Whitman will work round to him. “During
the last year of Whitman’s life, I talked with him especially
about his work. I said, ‘Now
that your message is about complete, what is your conviction regarding
it? Is it destined to be recognized, to be accepted?’ His reply was an answer, and yet no answer.
He said, ‘It will be accepted, if it deserves to be.’
‘I have no premonition,’ he continued, ‘no conviction,
regarding its fate. I simply wrote what I was moved to write.
There it stands. What posterity will extract from it I can only
guess.’ Whitman wrote much which
I believe he could not himself explain.
He wrote what he was moved to write. “Shortly
before the poet passed away I visited him.
He was too feeble to talk much.
He spoke about the seriousness of his physical condition and
the probability of his speedy death. I responded cheeringly, told him
I believed he was good for another year at least, and that we should
have him with us at his next birthday celebration. He raised his eyes
to mine and slowly uttered this query,
‘Is it worth while, Doctor?’
Then I spoke of the affection, the love with which his friends
regarded him. He smiled with
closed eyes, and while the smile still lingered on his face I said good-bye
and left him.” Lucius
Daniel Morse. |